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	<title>Comments on: Ban Credit Default Swaps? These Corporate Bankruptcies Show We Should</title>
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		<title>By: Open Letter to Timothy Geithner: Is Your Nose Getting Longer?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Letter to Timothy Geithner: Is Your Nose Getting Longer?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Money Morning News Analysis: Ban Credit Default Swaps? These Corporate Bankruptcies Show We Should. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Kramer</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com/2009/04/23/ban-credit-default-swaps/comment-page-1/#comment-22792</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam Smith is right that CDS contracts should be banned or regulated as insurance.  But regulation as insurance would include banning any CDS not supported by an insurable interest.  That means only bondholders can buy them, and even they should have to keep some skin in the game to limit  moral hazard.

An insurance contract without an insurable interest is a toxic instrument; it serves no valid purpose and creates incentives to do harm - the polar case of moral hazard.  It&#039;s surprising to me that such contracts have not generated more lawsuits by destroyed companies.  I know CFMA2k tried to preempt state laws on such things, but I don&#039;t see tort law in the list of preempted area, and issuing an insurance contract without an insurable interest sure seems like a tort against the owner of the insured property.

But be that as it may, naked CDS contracts are bad and should be banned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam Smith is right that CDS contracts should be banned or regulated as insurance.  But regulation as insurance would include banning any CDS not supported by an insurable interest.  That means only bondholders can buy them, and even they should have to keep some skin in the game to limit  moral hazard.</p>
<p>An insurance contract without an insurable interest is a toxic instrument; it serves no valid purpose and creates incentives to do harm &#8211; the polar case of moral hazard.  It&#8217;s surprising to me that such contracts have not generated more lawsuits by destroyed companies.  I know CFMA2k tried to preempt state laws on such things, but I don&#8217;t see tort law in the list of preempted area, and issuing an insurance contract without an insurable interest sure seems like a tort against the owner of the insured property.</p>
<p>But be that as it may, naked CDS contracts are bad and should be banned.</p>
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		<title>By: Estonian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Estonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 04:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The economy of Estonia is on the verge of an extremely severe crash due to a high exposure to CDS.

We are the innocent victims of reckless casino capitalism, enabled by US governments who very well knew that the crash was inevitable (several economists have predicted it, for example professors Nouriel Roubini 1-2 years before and Michael Hudson 6 years before) but looked the other way. 

It is fundamentally unfair that this destructive financial bomb, created by American finance gamblers and endorsed by the US government, is allowed to cause severe suffering among hundreds of millions of people outside the US. The US government carries the whole responsibility, having eliminated the regulations that were created in the 30-ies to prevent the emergence of another &quot;megabubble&quot; depression. Every economics and business student in the US, and consequently every financial advisor (including the great deregulator, Larry Summers) has been carefully informed during their studies about the mechanisms of the great depression and the importance of preventive regulation, so don&#039;t say you did not know. The US government must carry the whole economical responsibility for the consequences of their irresponsible actions. 

US is now like someone who, because of severe carelessness, puts your house on fire so it burns down to ashes, and then demands that the owner must pay the whole bill for restoring it. 

Can you understand that any remains of sympathy for the US is rapidly withering away in the world? In Europe, even many non-socialists are now detesting capitalism, describing it as a system of organized, egoistic greed for favoring the already rich at the expense of the people. The present bailout of bankers in stead of using the money for financing constructive restorative projects to help the people is a very obvious confirmation of this understanding. 

It is extremely naive by the US to believe that such strong and very pervasive sentiments can be calmed by some sweet talk and lofty promises, especially when you have &quot;burnt down our houses&quot;, creating untold suffering among millions of Europeans. I talked with the CEO of a real estate company yesterday - she wept out of despair when thinking of the thousands of honest, good people now being thrown out of their houses into misery due to foreclosures.

If the US government does not help defuse the CDS bomb, by taking due responsibility for it, it will generate intense hatred among those billions all over the world, whose &quot;houses it has burnt down&quot;. You can forget exporting anything however cheap and useful. Do you believe anyone outside the US will ever want to buy products of a country that has destroyed your country through enabling reckless casino capitalism? 

The people of the US has supported this destructive behavior by electing these irresponsible politicians. It is time that you take the responsibility for your mistake and demand that the US repents for its destructive behavior against the whole world taking the full economic responsibility for it and for the defusion of the terrible CDS bomb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The economy of Estonia is on the verge of an extremely severe crash due to a high exposure to CDS.</p>
<p>We are the innocent victims of reckless casino capitalism, enabled by US governments who very well knew that the crash was inevitable (several economists have predicted it, for example professors Nouriel Roubini 1-2 years before and Michael Hudson 6 years before) but looked the other way. </p>
<p>It is fundamentally unfair that this destructive financial bomb, created by American finance gamblers and endorsed by the US government, is allowed to cause severe suffering among hundreds of millions of people outside the US. The US government carries the whole responsibility, having eliminated the regulations that were created in the 30-ies to prevent the emergence of another &#8220;megabubble&#8221; depression. Every economics and business student in the US, and consequently every financial advisor (including the great deregulator, Larry Summers) has been carefully informed during their studies about the mechanisms of the great depression and the importance of preventive regulation, so don&#8217;t say you did not know. The US government must carry the whole economical responsibility for the consequences of their irresponsible actions. </p>
<p>US is now like someone who, because of severe carelessness, puts your house on fire so it burns down to ashes, and then demands that the owner must pay the whole bill for restoring it. </p>
<p>Can you understand that any remains of sympathy for the US is rapidly withering away in the world? In Europe, even many non-socialists are now detesting capitalism, describing it as a system of organized, egoistic greed for favoring the already rich at the expense of the people. The present bailout of bankers in stead of using the money for financing constructive restorative projects to help the people is a very obvious confirmation of this understanding. </p>
<p>It is extremely naive by the US to believe that such strong and very pervasive sentiments can be calmed by some sweet talk and lofty promises, especially when you have &#8220;burnt down our houses&#8221;, creating untold suffering among millions of Europeans. I talked with the CEO of a real estate company yesterday &#8211; she wept out of despair when thinking of the thousands of honest, good people now being thrown out of their houses into misery due to foreclosures.</p>
<p>If the US government does not help defuse the CDS bomb, by taking due responsibility for it, it will generate intense hatred among those billions all over the world, whose &#8220;houses it has burnt down&#8221;. You can forget exporting anything however cheap and useful. Do you believe anyone outside the US will ever want to buy products of a country that has destroyed your country through enabling reckless casino capitalism? </p>
<p>The people of the US has supported this destructive behavior by electing these irresponsible politicians. It is time that you take the responsibility for your mistake and demand that the US repents for its destructive behavior against the whole world taking the full economic responsibility for it and for the defusion of the terrible CDS bomb.</p>
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		<title>By: How Credit Default Swaps Could Reverse the Economic Recovery</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com/2009/04/23/ban-credit-default-swaps/comment-page-1/#comment-22109</link>
		<dc:creator>How Credit Default Swaps Could Reverse the Economic Recovery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 09:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But here&#8217;s the rub: After all that, credit default swaps still aren&#8217;t regulated. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Geiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Geiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 04:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems pretty simple... doing business means taking risks.  Wouldn&#039;t we all like to start a business and buy a taxpayer backed insurance policy just in case our great idea didn&#039;t work out?  Wouldn&#039;t it be great if banks could get taxpayer backed insurance policies on risky loans so they wouldn&#039;t look so risky on their financial statements?  NOT.  The idea that anything risky can be hedged with a CDS is just crazy.  It&#039;s like everyone belonging to the same MLM... who&#039;s going to be the next down-line to pay the last in? We all learned the economic maxim, &quot;there&#039;s no free lunch&quot; and yet, so much effort goes into schemes that seem, on the surface, to imply that there is.  Well people, the taxpayers are last in here, and as payers of last resort, I&#039;d say that those with fiduciary responsibilities of oversight and regulation have seriously screwed up this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems pretty simple&#8230; doing business means taking risks.  Wouldn&#8217;t we all like to start a business and buy a taxpayer backed insurance policy just in case our great idea didn&#8217;t work out?  Wouldn&#8217;t it be great if banks could get taxpayer backed insurance policies on risky loans so they wouldn&#8217;t look so risky on their financial statements?  NOT.  The idea that anything risky can be hedged with a CDS is just crazy.  It&#8217;s like everyone belonging to the same MLM&#8230; who&#8217;s going to be the next down-line to pay the last in? We all learned the economic maxim, &#8220;there&#8217;s no free lunch&#8221; and yet, so much effort goes into schemes that seem, on the surface, to imply that there is.  Well people, the taxpayers are last in here, and as payers of last resort, I&#8217;d say that those with fiduciary responsibilities of oversight and regulation have seriously screwed up this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Searcher</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com/2009/04/23/ban-credit-default-swaps/comment-page-1/#comment-20886</link>
		<dc:creator>Searcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These swaps were &#039;profit centers&#039;, so adored by management too hubris bound to recognize the inherent defects in such &#039;side bets&#039; on corporate liquidity.  This is the &#039;spider&#039; mentality, so well described by Jonathan Swift, which preened in their genius to spin gold solely from the &#039;resources&#039; of financial legerdemain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These swaps were &#8216;profit centers&#8217;, so adored by management too hubris bound to recognize the inherent defects in such &#8217;side bets&#8217; on corporate liquidity.  This is the &#8217;spider&#8217; mentality, so well described by Jonathan Swift, which preened in their genius to spin gold solely from the &#8216;resources&#8217; of financial legerdemain.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com/2009/04/23/ban-credit-default-swaps/comment-page-1/#comment-20878</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure the perverse incentives to give companies on which an institution has bought a credit default swap a push into bankruptcy will come to an abrupt halt the first time that the swap counter-party defaults on paying off on the CDS.  Then the institution will realize it pushed its debtor into bankruptcy for nothing and became worse off from doing so than by allowing a restructuring where they might get paid.  I doubt the till-now-overlooked counter-party risk will be long in making itself manifest.  That&#039;s when these institutions will discover they signed contracts with counter-parties that never expected to have to pay off on the contracts, never intended to honor them, and never had the ability to pay out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure the perverse incentives to give companies on which an institution has bought a credit default swap a push into bankruptcy will come to an abrupt halt the first time that the swap counter-party defaults on paying off on the CDS.  Then the institution will realize it pushed its debtor into bankruptcy for nothing and became worse off from doing so than by allowing a restructuring where they might get paid.  I doubt the till-now-overlooked counter-party risk will be long in making itself manifest.  That&#8217;s when these institutions will discover they signed contracts with counter-parties that never expected to have to pay off on the contracts, never intended to honor them, and never had the ability to pay out.</p>
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		<title>By: Busy Man Fitness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Busy Man Fitness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting article Martin. I always enjoy your commentary! Especially when it comes to credit default swaps!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article Martin. I always enjoy your commentary! Especially when it comes to credit default swaps!!!</p>
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		<title>By: It's Time to Restructure the Investment Banks</title>
		<link>http://www.moneymorning.com/2009/04/23/ban-credit-default-swaps/comment-page-1/#comment-20694</link>
		<dc:creator>It's Time to Restructure the Investment Banks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] central clearing for derivatives contacts, and imposing harsh capital requirements on contracts, such as credit default swaps, which seem to be especially dangerous to the financial [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SRS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SRS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of banning them, why not make CDSs exchange-traded?  In that case, they can&#039;t be sold w/o adequate margin, with collateral being posted on a daily basis, like most futured markets.  The problem with CDSs is not inherent to them, it&#039;s that they&#039;re traded in the shadows of the OTC market, not subject to being valued by a liquid market and not properly disclosed on balance sheets.

As for the perverse incentives that they cause in favor of bankruptcy, I&#039;m not sure that there&#039;s anything fundamentally wrong with either of the two bankruptcies you cited, or indeed with most situations when companies are forced into bankruptcy.  Both companies were on life-support and insolvent for all practical purposes.  Despite that, they were being run by the equity owners&#039; representatives (the BoD), whose stake in the company was but a stub of the enterprise&#039;s entire value (a quirk of our shareholder system of ownership).

A bankruptcy in this situation is healthy and puts an end to the unhealthy situation we have when a company is run by people whose stake in it has been virtually wiped out by the judgment of the market.  From the company&#039;s perspective, this is a clean exit for them and an opportunity to start afresh.  The only parties affected are the equity holders, and if they hadn&#039;t already bailed by now, it probably serves them right (BTW, I owned some equity in Abitibi-Bowater, and while I mourn the money I lost, I knew the risk that this could happen over a year ago.  I took the risk and I got hammered.  &#039;Dem&#039;s da breaks.).

SRS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of banning them, why not make CDSs exchange-traded?  In that case, they can&#8217;t be sold w/o adequate margin, with collateral being posted on a daily basis, like most futured markets.  The problem with CDSs is not inherent to them, it&#8217;s that they&#8217;re traded in the shadows of the OTC market, not subject to being valued by a liquid market and not properly disclosed on balance sheets.</p>
<p>As for the perverse incentives that they cause in favor of bankruptcy, I&#8217;m not sure that there&#8217;s anything fundamentally wrong with either of the two bankruptcies you cited, or indeed with most situations when companies are forced into bankruptcy.  Both companies were on life-support and insolvent for all practical purposes.  Despite that, they were being run by the equity owners&#8217; representatives (the BoD), whose stake in the company was but a stub of the enterprise&#8217;s entire value (a quirk of our shareholder system of ownership).</p>
<p>A bankruptcy in this situation is healthy and puts an end to the unhealthy situation we have when a company is run by people whose stake in it has been virtually wiped out by the judgment of the market.  From the company&#8217;s perspective, this is a clean exit for them and an opportunity to start afresh.  The only parties affected are the equity holders, and if they hadn&#8217;t already bailed by now, it probably serves them right (BTW, I owned some equity in Abitibi-Bowater, and while I mourn the money I lost, I knew the risk that this could happen over a year ago.  I took the risk and I got hammered.  &#8216;Dem&#8217;s da breaks.).</p>
<p>SRS</p>
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